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GB's avatar

Nicely done, and the neat/scruffy framing is the right spine for it.

The thing I keep catching is an assumption Friston and Summerfield seem to share without arguing for it: that embodiment is necessary. Friston wants active inference, a system acting on the world, not passively predicting it. Summerfield wants bodies, recurring needs, motivation. Different routes, same premise underneath: the sensorimotor loop is load-bearing for genuine intelligence.

But it's worth asking what the body is actually contributing there. A sensorimotor stream is, in the end, information about the body, signals, not the body itself. If that's right, then privileging embodiment looks like a fact about one kind of realizer's input rather than a condition on intelligence as such. The body is a rich and well-structured information source, not obviously a different category from any other stream a system has to predict.

I don't think the debate settles this, because neither side puts the assumption on the table to defend it. Which is maybe the more interesting question hiding under the neat/scruffy one: is embodiment a requirement, or just the particular way the one example we know of happens to get its information?

Yaroslav's avatar

reading Sapolsky and watching an old Lex Fridman podcast with Andrej Karpathy, something clicked that i want to add to this debate. neuroscientists have already documented it — prefrontal metastability is not a transitional state, it is the working regime of intelligence. a fully synchronised oscillator system is locked — no new information enters. intelligence lives in incomplete synchronisation, where the error signal is nonzero and still changing. both Friston and Summerfield describe what intelligence optimises — neither describes what it preserves. the invariant is not the solution. it is the productive distance from it. a system that has converged has stopped being intelligent. it became a record ⊛

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